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Israeli MP: Arabs are 'worms'


Tuesday 14 December 2004, 1:01 Makka Time, 22:01 GMT

Likud's Yehiel Hazan has refused to apologise for his insult.

An Israeli Knesset member from Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's ruling Likud party has described all Arabs as "worms" in a parliamentary debate.

Yehiel Hazan, parliamentary leader of the biggest lobby group for Jewish colonists illegally settling in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, said on Monday:

"The Arabs are worms. You find them everywhere like worms, underground as well as above."

Hazan continued that "until we understand that we're doing business with a nation of assassins and terrorists who don't want us here, there will be no let up. These worms have not stopped attacking Jews for a century."

The Knesset member refused to rescind his comments as demanded by the speaker of parliament.

The right-wing Likud MP was speaking one day after five Israelis and two Palestinian resistance fighters were killed in an attack on an Israeli army post at the Rafah border crossing between Egypt and the Gaza Strip.

good things these guys are candid about what they REALLY think, eh?

Obviously Mr. Hazan used this language as a last ditch effort to convince mainland Israelis to keep the settlements in Judea and Sumeria, thank goodness Ariel Sharon is breaking away from these ideas in hopes for peace.

>>>>>>good things these guys are candid about what they REALLY think, eh?

Buy 'these guys' do you mean to suggest that all Israelis feel this way, or all Jews? Because that would be a racist generalization based on one man's statement.

Unfortunately there are too many slurs going around on both sides. As you know, Palestinian leaders, like the late Yasser Arafat, have used similar language in regard to the Israeli people and Jews in general. Mr. Hazan should choose his words and politics wisely in order to promote peace rather than racist generalizations.

As should you Swisschris, but I guess thats not the cool thing to do in Switzerland. By the way, I thought you were in search of a peace plan, not just fanning the flames of hatred

Well, at least some of us are still looking for peace....


SHALOM ACHSHAV!
SALAM!
PEACE NOW!

By these guys i meant right wing knesset members.

am I the only one that thinks peace with the arabs is not possible.. ? I think abbass was trying to make some headway .. and thank god arafat is burning in hell now.. but their radical factions are too un-controlable.. Hammass just lit up an israeli military check point after rejecting a cease fire..

The above article illustrates radicalism on not just the arab side, no?

so that makes whom fish or early birds?

Hey all I know is a polish limo driver once told me...

Never trust an Arab, Russian or German...

Some how hearing him say this in his polish accent made complete sense..

Now I dont trust them..

LOL!

This is for you Hypo...

Israel to allow voting in Jerusalem


Tuesday 14 December 2004, 20:21 Makka Time, 17:21 GMT


Israeli Defence Minister says Israel will withdraw for 72 hours

Palestinian residents of Jerusalem will be allowed to take part in presidential elections to choose a successor to Yasir Arafat, Palestinian and Israeli officials said.

Israeli Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz said Israeli troops would withdraw from Palestinian towns a day before the 9 January vote, and stay out for 72 hours.

The temporary withdrawal was aimed at avoiding clashes with the Palestinians, he said.

A Palestinian official said the sides agreed to have polling stations in post offices in East Jerusalem, as they did in a 1996 vote.

The official added that Palestinians would have at least five polling stations in East Jerusalem, which they want as capital of a future state, and that ballots would be tallied outside the municipal borders.

Palestinians had said there could be no ballot if Jerusalem residents were excluded.

Uraiqat (L) met Israeli officials
in secret regarding elections

Palestinian voting in Jerusalem is contentious as both Israel and the Palestinians lay claim to the eastern part of the city, even though it was under Palestinian control prior to 1967.

East Jerusalem was seized by Israel in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war and annexed in a move rejected by the UN and the international community, but supported by the US.

Secret meeting

Israeli and Palestinian officials met secretly in Jerusalem last week to discuss January's scheduled election for president of the Palestinian Authority, according to an Israeli television station.

It said that Dov Weisglass and Shalom Turgeman, two close aides of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon met Palestinian negotiations minister Saib Uraiqat and Hassan Abu Libda, head of prime minister Ahmad Quraya’s office.

The men discussed a temporary withdrawal by the Israeli army from the main Palestinian towns on the day of the election, and for Palestinian police to be authorised to carry arms for the time of the poll.

A Palestinian official had confirmed that the meeting had taken place.

According to him, the two sides agreed to apply the same set up as during the 1996 presidential election, which enabled Palestinians in annexed east Jerusalem to participate.

"It's not a voting district of the Palestinian Authority, but there are Palestinian voters there who are eligible to vote and they will vote in absentee ballots," said Raanan Gissin, a spokesman for Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon.

Palestinian officials reacted coolly, saying Israeli troops should leave Palestinian areas immediately to allow candidates to campaign and rejecting the notion of an interim peace deal.

"We have signed lots of interim agreements, and all of these agreements failed," said Hassan Abu Libda, the Palestinian Cabinet secretary.

Just putting out some flames...

out of curiosity where do you get your news Svisschris?

usually
reuters
human rights watch
al-jazeera
tribune de geneve
the guardian
bbc
red cross/red crescent
and others...

cool cool

hey what are the good venues in Chi-town?

well, depends on your "scene" i guess...
I like going to The Vic... very laid back atmosphere, cool staff, old theatre. Among others, Ratdog, Ween, and Gwar play there.
The Riviera's pretty cool to, but i only say that because that's where Phil usually plays.

For artsy stuff, the Empty Bottle is a great place. Run down, smelly, hole in the wall...

On Tuesdays i go down to a bar on the South Side called The New Apartment Lounge to see Von Freeman play... a veerrrrry old sax guru... great ugly place, am usually the only white dude there...

i don't know, there's so much here music wise...

Why, you planning on stopping by sometime?

Just moved into the neighborhood...

Tell me you went to the Gwar show!

No shit, really? well welcome welcome...
Saw Gwar this year and last year. I'm hoping to turn this into a little tradition... nothing like a Gwar show.
Another place worth checking out is the Hothouse. It's located a couple blocks south of the loop, and is part gallery, part restaurant, part venue... a great place...
You should also definitely check out Martyr's. A hippy joint, where Donna the Buffalo, DSO, and Umphrey's play pretty regularly... i'll keep thinking of places that'll hopefully make your move easier...

My two personal favorite sources of info -
Mother Jones
The Economist

and cheers to your move man, hope chicago treats you well...
i'll give you a heads up if i hear of a sweet gig, and vice versa...

Cheers Swisschris

Saw Gwar back in High School on way too much...Blew my mind!Still haven't picked up one of their albums though.


So, about this peace plan...
Maybe the answer is music. I know it sounds crazy...

The night the US began bombing Baghdad i was performing a gig in France with an Algerian, a Jordanian, and two French kids... it was quite a powerful experience. I find the whole clash of civilizations idea to be absolutely bogus - there is no such thing. There are fanatics, and there are heads of state, and both make the major death wielding decisions. But to say that our cultures are clashing (like Fox does) due to inherent difference, well, just sit down and play some music and see what happens.

True

>al-jazeera

The Fox news of the Middle East.

actually, many of al-jazeera's writers are former bbc and reuters journalists...
i am interested though, why would you consider al-jazeera to be an arab propaganda tool?

Yo Chris-

check this page out, its an article about the withdrawal from Gaza


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/515113.html