Philzone.org Discussion Board: Archive 2004: Politics Archive 2004: Those Ukrainians are awesome

The street scenes from Kiev are stunning in the expressions of political hunger and artistic delight (kind of like Burning Man). They make one think how wimpy Americans were in reaction to the 2000 election controversy.

Or the 2004 controversy.

I must agree on both accounts..

just goes to show.....when you got nothing, you got nothing to loose. americans are too afraid of "loosing my DVDDDDDDDDDD........oh no, my boss migh t seeeee meeeee and and and i'll loose my fiiiiishingggggg B O A T"

don't these people realize that democracy is a product??????

in all fairness, in belive Ukraine IS better off economically than the rest of RUssia. Ukraine has had it's history of non conformitism for over 100 years.

($5 each!)

looks like a dead show...

how did the Ukranians get organized so fast?
all this just came together the day after the elections?

I think the efficiency(sp?) in which these people organized is suspicious.

Any thoughts?

Shortly before election day, the opposition leader, Viktor Yushchenko, said he would ask his supporters to take to the streets if there was fraud in the election. He has continued to provide them with encouragement.
Now imagine that in America.

really, what the fuck ever happened to John Kerry?

go on, take the money and run...

Todays papers report that Yushchenko has been slowly poisoned over a period of time. Also reports say that the US put $65 million into influencing the election there, via exit polls and the like

>>Todays papers report that Yushchenko has been slowly poisoned over a period of time. Also reports say that the US put $65 million into influencing the election there, via exit polls and the like

I wouldn't doubt that. We have been fucking with other countries for years. Just suprised that we didn't get them to buy Diebold machines with nopapper trail.

US Hypocrisy on Ukraine

by Rep. Ron Paul
President Bush said last week that, "Any election [in Ukraine], if there is one, ought to be free from any foreign influence." I agree with the president wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, it seems that several U.S. government agencies saw things differently and sent U.S. taxpayer dollars into Ukraine in attempt to influence the outcome.

We do not know exactly how many millions – or tens of millions – of dollars the United States government spent on the presidential election in Ukraine. We do know that much of that money was targeted to assist one particular candidate, and that through a series of cut-out non-governmental organizations (NGOs) – both American and Ukrainian – millions of dollars ended up in support of the presidential candidate, Viktor Yushchenko.

Let me add that I do not think we should be supporting either of the candidates. While I am certainly no supporter of Viktor Yushchenko, I am not a supporter of his opponent, Viktor Yanukovich, either. Simply, it is none of our business who the Ukrainian people select to be their president. And, if they feel the vote was not fair, it is up to them to work it out.

How did this one-sided U.S. funding in Ukraine come about? While I am afraid we may have seen only the tip of the iceberg, one part that we do know thus far is that the U.S. government, through the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), granted millions of dollars to the Poland-America-Ukraine Cooperation Initiative (PAUCI), which is administered by the U.S.-based Freedom House.

PAUCI then sent U.S. government funds to numerous Ukrainian non-governmental organizations (NGOs). This would be bad enough and would in itself constitute meddling in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation. But, what is worse is that many of these grantee organizations in Ukraine are blatantly in favor of presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko.

Consider the Ukrainian NGO International Center for Policy Studies. It is an organization funded by the U.S. government through PAUCI. On its Web site, we discover that this NGO was founded by George Soros' Open Society Institute. And further on we can see that Viktor Yushchenko himself sits on the advisory board!

And this NGO is not the only one the U.S. government funds that is openly supportive of Viktor Yushchenko. The Western Ukraine Regional Training Center, as another example, features a prominent USAID logo on one side of its Web site's front page and an orange ribbon of the candidate Yushchenko's party and movement on the other. By their proximity, the message to Ukrainian readers is clear: the U.S. government supports Yushchenko.

The Center for Political and Legal Reforms, another Ukrainian NGO funded by the U.S. government, features a link at the top of its Web site's front page to Viktor Yushchenko's personal Web site. Yushchenko's picture is at the top of this U.S.-government-funded Web site.

This May, the Virginia-based private management consultancy Development Associates, Inc., was awarded $100 million by the U.S. government "for strengthening national legislatures and other deliberative bodies worldwide." According to the organization's Web site, several million dollars from this went to Ukraine in advance of the elections.

As I have said, this may only be the tip of the iceberg. There may be many more such organizations involved in this twisted tale.

It is clear that a significant amount of U.S. taxpayer dollars went to support one candidate in Ukraine. Recall how most of us felt when it became known that the Chinese government was trying to funnel campaign funding to a U.S. presidential campaign. This foreign funding of American elections is rightly illegal. Yet, it appears that that is exactly what we are doing abroad. What we do not know, however, is just how much U.S. government money was spent to influence the outcome of the Ukrainian election.

Dozens of organizations are granted funds under the PAUCI program alone, and this is only one of many programs that funneled dollars into Ukraine. We do not know how many millions of U.S. taxpayer dollars the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) sent to Ukraine through NED's National Democratic Institute and International Republican Institute. Nor do we know how many other efforts, overt or covert, have been made to support one candidate over the other in Ukraine.

That is what I find so disturbing: there are so many cut-out organizations and sub-grantees that we have no idea how much U.S. government money was really spent on Ukraine, and most importantly how it was spent. Perhaps the several examples of blatant partisan support that we have been able to uncover are but an anomaly. I believe Congress and the American taxpayers have a right to know. I believe we urgently need an investigation by the Government Accounting Office into how much U.S. government money was spent in Ukraine and exactly how it was spent. I would hope very much for the support of Chairman Hyde, Chairman Lugar, Deputy Assistant Secretary Tefft, and my colleagues on the House International Relations Committee in this request.

President Bush is absolutely correct: elections in Ukraine should be free of foreign influence. It is our job here and now to discover just how far we have violated this very important principle, and to cease any funding of political candidates or campaigns henceforth.