Philzone.org Discussion Board: Archive 2004: Hep C Archive: Found This Interesting

To One and All --

I find these bits of information so revealing I have to send them along. Think
carefully.

Democrats:

* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Don L Overstreet: 1st Lt Served in the Air Force 1954 -58
* Al Gore: Enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam as an army journalist ! in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V,
Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam, lost 3 limbs.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign
ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and
Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and
Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star
with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but
received #311. Number not called.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul
Wallenberg.

Republicans -- and these are the guys sending people to war:

* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom DeLay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max
Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon Kyl: did not serve. >* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: Served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got
assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S.
Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making
movies.
* Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for
yrs.

* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.

Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He! only shoots at things that don't shoot
back.)

nice info I like the wavelenght you're on up all nite but oh well dr appt later

Now, Mark...Don't start me, you know how I get....

Jim--U.S. Navy, 1976-1980

This is simply more proof that Dr.Johnson was correct:

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Jim

Rob 1A in the draft loterry number320.I was ready to go to Canada or Sweden.Burned draft card in wash dc protesting(a lot of our group were Nam vets)My Dad G-d rest his soul WW2 Navy disabled vet who never took 1 disablity check from the accident on the sub was gonna buy my ticket.We were for the gis who got a raw deal in nam and got our knowledge from people that were there I guess Monsanto chemicals and Lockheed liked Nam going on!

Spouse was Navy Man out of Phila. I became a protestor when my friends came back in body bags. Most of those who survived were in body bags also. They ended up suicides. War does strange things to each of us. I am more against it now than ever. It seems that we are always protecting some Rich Persons Agenda. Anyone who wants freedom knows they must fight for it...
Our colonization, the blacks proving again that there is no small price to pay even in this Country. If you want freedom bad enough you will fight for it. We should be teachers of Freedom! Not rebels for OIL. I try to conserve all use of electric(anti nuclear),gas, etc. We have heated home for 25 years with wood..Lots of friends gave us wood from their tree businesses..God Bless them. We do not kill trees, we use what dies naturally. But with mass development, there are many forests being destroyed. We get to recycle others waste. Then I plant more trees and bushes.

Hi Everyone, I thought I would drop a few words in
the discussion, just to see if I can get something
going tonight !!
Even though, I am an Old Hippy, I also served in
the Military- U.S Air Force, in the early 1970's !
Ended up doing time in Minot,N.D, as a Aircraft
Jet Mechanic ! But after serving 1 year, 1 month,
1 day; the Air Force decided that they didn't
appreciate me bringing my Hippy life-style into the Military, so they offered me a Honorable
Discharge, if I would please just Leave !!!
But to be honest with you, the present war is a
joke, its about oil, and not patriotism !!
Bush reminds me of "Tricky Dick" Nixon, no Balls,
and no brains !!!

The Hippy/Deadhead-

Bruce

Gee what about the herion brought backby the cia in body bags to finance covert operations plus get the radicals under control here and then they set up methadone programs 1st program Rockefeller Hospital.Eli Lilly loved nam Imagine the cia owned airline america would transport opium base from the golden triangle to hong kong to be made into Tiger and Globe brand#4 pure herion heres the kicker then they would transport the shit back to nam and our allies the south vietnamese officers would deal to amerikan gis.thank you CIA.they liked nam A lot of vets died from drugs and the others buy the Lilly product Good book to read The Politics of Heroin in SouthEast Asia Alfred McCoy and things never get better its seems to be getting worse Money is the higher power of these killers.I must be feeling better Im ranting and venting!!!!but I speak the truth.Now that walmart is closing companies down with unfair labor practices with cheap chinese labor(signed by Clinton BTW)the chinesse will get even with us remember who in order to make up for a trade deficit The british bastards forced india opium in china Hence the Opium Wars nothing changes!!!

Gee what about the herion brought backby the cia in body bags to finance covert operations plus get the radicals under control here and then they set up methadone programs 1st program Rockefeller Hospital.Eli Lilly loved nam Imagine the cia owned airline america would transport opium base from the golden triangle to hong kong to be made into Tiger and Globe brand#4 pure herion heres the kicker then they would transport the shit back to nam and our allies the south vietnamese officers would deal to amerikan gis.thank you CIA.they liked nam A lot of vets died from drugs and the others buy the Lilly product Good book to read The Politics of Heroin in SouthEast Asia Alfred McCoy and things never get better its seems to be getting worse Money is the higher power of these killers.I must be feeling better Im ranting and venting!!!!but I speak the truth.Now that walmart is closing companies down with unfair labor practices with cheap chinese labor(signed by Clinton BTW)the chinesse will get even with us remember who in order to make up for a trade deficit The british bastards forced india opium in china Hence the Opium Wars nothing changes!!!

sorry guys brain fog = double post

isn't freedom of speech a wonderfull thing...

JFK had a lunch for all the living nobel prize winners at The White House and they were in a room and when JFK came out his remark was this is the greatest assemblege of minds since Thomas Jefferson was here(I paraphrased checks and balances is a wonderful thing Those guys are all rolling over in their graves with the state of this great union raping the rainforest killing and just plain stealing but every dog has their day.G-d see's everything and thier awill be a big price sending American Companies to China where with unfair labor practices like slave labor and deflating the yen against our dollar 40% WalMart is bringing this country down he sells cheap to poor americans that have been laid off because they are ruthless typical businessmen whose G-d is money at any cost We going to hell in a handbasket in the labor movement

What about the opium fields right now in Afganistan? Farmers allowed to grow now,because
their warlords switched back to CIA from the
past Taliban alliances. CIA probably shippin'dope
right into Germany on Military transport planes.
check out: i think, narconews.org or com or net??
Buenas Noches

Guys, I hate to break in one this, but could we keep one place on the Phlzone free of politics? One reason this thread has been such an incredible source of support for us all is that we can put aside the little differences that exist between us all and focus on fighting the dragon and helping one another. I'd hate to see this place go the way of Other Stuff or Politics, where anger and insults abound.

you know you're right I just vent my riba rage aside from being the worlds second most opinionated man I think David Crosby has me beat Its seems that that we have a tight group here and why risk it.Politics and religion debates can get very nasty when you feel strongly about issues

Awwww, come on, Train, If I can't spew my bleeding heart liberal nonsense here, I won't have anything to talk about....except sex....hmmm...

Jim

I read recently that something like 8 BILLION worth of interferon was prescribed last year.
Like it or not, Tx is big money, which is politics. A lot of good people's lives depend on decisions being made over the next few years.
Don't get mad at me, but there ain't no way to separate the Zone from politics- if we don't speak up, who is gonna do it for us?
I have a life other than hep C, and I'd rather risk disagreeing with my sisters and brothers than to agree to voluntary censorship.

I remember when I first started going to AA meetings The old timers would kick you out if you talked about drugs and a lot of people went out and died.They did not have much na wharf rats in those times.Now almost everyone is dually addicted as they say I think its a question of balance and it is nice to stay aware of some issues At least if someone has to vent their opinions its a question of insuring that you,re polite ,kind and gentle which can be a tough orderat times but we have to set a good example for the newbies who are of UTMOST importance to us so we can grow Peace We don't wannna get stale around here so lets get ready to piss on the dragons grave Many prayers and blessings to ALL

It occurred to me as well that I don't want to be thought of as supporting those right wing kooks (that's the nicest you'll ever hear me talk about them). I just don't want to scare off anyone who might be coming here looking for support to be run off my something dumb as politics. And I'm sure not lokoing to censor anyone or anything. Carry on.

I think it is great to vent. When I do Activism, we are shunned. People do not want to wake up and smell the garbage being heaped on us. I think venting here helps take the mind off the dragon. And it is a better way to rue the Rage.
it is nice to have people who give a damn, our Government doesnot. Maybe if we were all billionaires we would not give a hoot either but we are here to support and if we get fogged so be it. The Lord is listening and more than likely agreeing with Us. Have a good day. The winds are screaming here in Penna. I can enjoy all of you and the great outdoors also by looking out the window. Someitmes deer and birds enchant the view and I forget that humans are around. My little part of the Appalachians under the Bake Oven Knob are enchanting. Anyone ever coming to Pa look us up!

Train, I apreciate your' feelings, but I agree with Jim, Walter and Shelly. One great thing about this place is that we can come here to rage, and people understand. I've vented pretty heavy here sometimes. I know not everyone agrees with me, but I think all are tolerant of each others beliefs here. We are all fighting this dragon together, just sometimes take slightly different paths.
PEACE, Mark

PS Rob, I'm trying to set up my union mailout. they want other locals which have done so. Please email me your info. thanx.

Hey Al.....

Hang tight bro!! Hope all is well with the new study. Please keep us informed on any news big or small. I'm going in for my 6-month rugular session on Jan 5th, so anything I can carry with me about news concerning "protease inhibitors" will be much appreciated.

As far as your sentiments towards keeping this site to pretty much strictly health issues and hep-C......personally I happen to agree with you 100% which I've let be known countless and countless numbers of times over the past 3 and 1/2 years, but oh well, I've given up.....and now have just decided to let it ride. I suppose people will always need a place to vent & talk about whatever they damn well please.....and I finally decided that who the hell am I to say not to. I do hear though loud & clear what your saying about the fear of scaring people off who are coming hear to seek advice and comfort for their health concerns.......but we will just pray that since about probably 85% or more of our threads are aimed in that direction, that the one or two threads that occasionnally pop up where our brothers & sisters want to spout off about the injustices or politics that abound in our world......won't deter a soul from coming here.
I seriously doubt that after folks see the love & care that is shared here.....that they would feel compelled to leave regardless of their politics or social agendas. I am probably a perfect example. I disagree quite often with alot that is said here......and usually just keep my mouth shut, and carry on (LOL)! Somewhere in my years on this planet, I figured out that I was much happier in keeping alot of my opinions to myself rather than debating for hours over politics. That's just my own personal views however, and some pholks love to debate. More power to them I suppose.
Oh well....carry on, and stay happy!!

I agree with you Martino, That kid of mine just went into the Marines! I have to shut up cause I'm not happy about this world but need to concentrate on tx. I can't help but wonder why he wanted to go? and people probably thought, "how could you let your son go?" the truth is he probabally wants to kill them and it's LEGAL. I can't do a damn thing and I'm stuck with this and that's very frusterating. but people have to vent I guess, if this comes up , oh well . it don't bother me. but TX is the Big Thing! PEACE Rose

OK,OK. I could use the practice anyway, what with the holidays coming up and prolonged time with my right wing famly just around the corner.

Hey, Martin, did you get the email I sent you a week or so ago? If not, let me know and I'll send it again. All is well with the new study although they tell me they aren't seeing the dramatic results they did last year because the doses are smaller. As soon as I get my latest AST and ALT numbers, I'll be letting everyone know what's going on. As usual, I'm not too sure myself.

Damn, we end up talking about the dragon no matter what. What was I worried about?