Philzone.org Discussion Board: Archive 2004: Sports and Trivia Archive 2004: Favre's streak more impressive than Ripkens........

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Both are impressive in their own right.
Both stand apart in their sport.

now if Farve threw a TD pass for over 47 games in a row....now that would be something. just razzing ya. There will be a big void once Farve retires. Automatic HOF 1st ballot.

I don't watch football, so what's the record? If its 47 games in a row, that's like 2 1/2 seasons,(16 games a yr , right?) maybe 3, big deal. Ripken played like 12 yrs without missing a game, that 12 years, with more travel and day games after night games and no six days between games.etc etc. If the actual number is more than 47 let me know and I will consider the differance.
But as it stands 47 games versus 12 years, Ripken wins

notty, put down the pipe and walk away.

not a big cal fan, but there is a reason they call him the iron man. it took years to earn that.

even the yankees gave him a standing ovation from the dugout when the streak ended.

dont forget the coke helped too!

That was Tony Dorsett and Michael Irvin, not Cal..

no not them Brett i meant

don't forget dexter 'i can't even read at age 30' manley, fog

Why can't Dexter be on TV, he has more personality than Michael( I was in the crackhouse but that aint my crack ) Irvin.

note my Dexter reference already landed in the "smartest team" thread.

Favre wasn't on coke, he was on Vicodin. get it straight.

as far as the streak goes Ed, and whoever else, there are 16 games in and NFL regular season, that is well over 12 seasons to achieve this mark.

there are a rare few that have even come close to this mark, and to think he has done it at the QB position is amazing.



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60% of respondents to the ESPN poll said Favre's streak was more impressive.

oops, one more thing, less than two more seasons and he will break the record for most games at any position.

Notty

What number is the streak at?

Still think that Cal's is more impressive but thats just my opinon

60% of respondents to the ESPN poll said Favre's streak was more impressive.



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Dude your only suppose to vote once, cut the shit already..

good thing Jerry Glanville traded "that drunk" drafted him in the 3rd round got a first round pick just BRILLIANT!!!

It's about the same number of years, 12-13.

In the NFL large, psychotic men are trying to do you extreme bodily harm every play. That makes staying out there pretty impressive.

The last several years of Ripkin's streak definitely hurt team goals.

Favre's being out there has not hurt team goals.

People who know football better than me all tell me that Favre is one of the very best quarterbacks ever.

Ripkin was nowhere near the player Lou Gehrig was.

Ed -

Notty has pointed out that Farve will start in his 200th straight game Monday. Jim Marshall of the Vikings played in 282 straight games.

The 47 consecutive games with a touchdown belongs to Johhny Unitas. Not sure where Farve stands in that regard but the next closest is Marino w/ 30.

LowCountry, Favre is second on the list of QBS with like 35 or so games straight with a TD pass, i know he already passed Marino on that one. i am sure that Al Michaels will bring us up to speed on that number tonight.

as far as Jim Marshall goes, are you sure that those were consecutive games. ESPN reported that Bruce Matthews held the streak for consecutive games at like 225 or so. i think Marshall's record is just most games as non-kicker. besides that dumbass doesn't even know which way to run when he gets the ball.


and Fog, i am happy to say that i didn't even vote today.

>Favre's being out there has not hurt team goals
I guess last years playoff game LOSS against the eagles doesn't count when he played with the bad thumb. Don't get me wrong. I love Bret, and the streak is awesome but to say it's better than
Ripkin's streak is like comparing apples to oranges. Favre has 6 days to rest after every start with a fist full of pain killers. And for someone to say >Ripkin's streak definitely hurt team goals is insane. The only bad thing Cal ever did to hurt that sorry ass team in Baltimore is retire.

>People who know football better than me all tell me that Favre is one of the very best quarterbacks ever.
This I can agree with.
>Ripkin was nowhere near the player Lou Gehrig was.
This I can not.
I never saw Lou play but Ripkin has to be somewhere near the player he was. Compare the numbers. Gehrigs are better but they're not that far off

Notty - i saw the the stats at: http://www.nfl.com/history/randf/records/indiv/service

Most Consecutive Games Played, Career
282 Jim Marshall, Cleveland, 1960; Minnesota, 1961-1979
256 Jeff Feagles, New England, 1988-89; Philadelphia, 1990-93, Arizona, 1994-97; Seattle, 1998-2002; N.Y. Giants, 2003 (current)
248 Morten Andersen, New Orleans, 1987-1994; Atlanta, 1995-2000; N.Y. Giants, 2001; Kansas City, 2002


the "history" stats on the nfl's site do not reflect anything from the 2004 season.

LowCountry, i checked it out as well.

if we check out consecutive starts, it goes like this....

Jim "i ran the wrong way" Marshall 270
Mick Tinglehoff 240
Bruce Matthews 229
Jim Otto 210
Gene Upshaw 201
Randall McDaniel 202
Brett Favre 200

still impressive none the less.

Mike, as far as Brett hurting his teams chances, i think you are a bit off. Brett still had his team in a position to win that playoff game, and when you consider the importance of the QB position, they would have gotten killed had the back up been forced into action.

also, when you consider the beating and the range of injuries that football players sustain, especially a QB that is usually just a sitting duck, i don't think that the 6 days rest lessens this accomplishment at all.... and Cal had the pain killers available as well.

one more thing LC, did you catch the TD pass stat at the beginning of the game?

last nights TD'S pushed that streak up to 36. still a long way to go to catch Johhny U. but he's getting there. next weeks game will be a test!

"impressive none the less."

- without a doubt. 100 straight games is very impressive. 200 & counting *and* playing @ all-pro caliber for most of them...no brainer HOF

I saw "outside the lines" on espn before the game last night and the subject was Terrell Owens. One point being discussed was that Owens is the "face" of the nfl.
If it were because of his play alone, that's one thing...but the major reason he's talked about so much is his "look at me" "me first" attitude & touchdown celebrations.

I can easily think of a dozen players who deserve more "press" than TO.

Farve would be at the very top of the list.

What Notty just said!!! Next week will, indeed, be a test

Congrats Notty ! I gotta say it is at least equally impressive to what Ripken did, if not more so, d/t the brutal nature of the sport of football. Obviously more games are played in baseball, but to take the physical punishment of pro football week in and week out without missing a game is a pretty amazing streak.

>>next weeks game will be a test!


I think at this point the packers should beat the eagles. The eagles are already in relax mode with a playoff birth already wrapped up. Meanwhile the packers can use every win they can get a hold of.

On the contrary a short week for the packers will be an added test.

Should be a preview of the playoffs but I wouldn't be surprised if philly or greenbay just used the game for scouting reasons.

The last several years of Ripkin's streak definitely hurt team goals.
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Thats just complete bullshit.

Cal's streak was good for baseball and good for the Orioles.Ripkens streak was huge news and people packed the stands to see him.
Farve is a great player but really the buzz and recognition compared to what Cal did is not even close.Does Farve deserve more, perhaps.

it is amazing he only fumbled once this year!!
hey notty, can you elaborate on this headline...

"Thousands of fans donned blaze orange in a show of respect for six deer hunters gunned down in Rice Lake, Wis., last week."

what's the story line here?

A deer hunter in Wisconsin got into an arguement with other hunters who found him in a perch or something that they believed was theirs, words were exchanged,he started shooting, 6 hunters dead others wounded.....

The last several years of Ripkin's streak definitely hurt team goals.
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Thats just complete bullshit.

Cal's streak was good for baseball and good for the Orioles
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i agree w/ Fog 100%

Did the O's have someone who could fill in for Cal @ SS or 3b that would do a better job than he would? Considering the o's roster from 97-01, the answer is big n-o.

and comparing Gehrig & Cal just doesn't work...2 totally different times in the game.
One thing is for sure though, Cal never took his 1st at bat of a game and then sat out the remaining 8 innings just to keep the streak alive.

and not to take *anything* away from Farve's streak, it & he are amazing...but consider this: For the plays that Farve is on the field, anywhere from 35%-60% of them, the most contact he recives is placing his hands on the center's buttocks (running play).

- of course who hasn't seen Farve on a reverse or a broken play go down field and make a block on someone outweighing him by 50-100 lbs.

Jim Marshall (who indeed ran the wrong way once) had contact on almost every single snap.

Favre has had a nice career, but hes no jim mcmahon.

Favre is a great white QB.

PACKERS @ EAGLES (-6/47)






(2004 in WI: Deer 74,425 - Hunters 6)

Plus you gotta factor in that Favre is way more of a redneck than Ripken, and to top it all off he has that impressive beer/Vicodan addiction going for him as well. Cal Ripken pales in the light of such a great individual

I found Ripkin's retirement interesting, in that Tony Gwynn retired the same year.

Both players had very similar carreer values. Ripkins were concentrated in 2 outstanding seasons, his 2 MVP years. Gwynn had a more consistent arc.

Both were positive role models. Both had hall of fame type of careers. Both played in 2 world series. Both were intense students of the game.
Ripkin hit for more power, Gwynn got on base more, both resulting in very similar runs produced

The media's treatment of the 2 players retirements were as different as night and day. Not so subtle racism?

I stand by my comments on the streak's effect on team goals. His staying out there when he wasn't productive cost the team games. Not debatable.

I agree that the marketing of the streak was positive for baseball and certainly sold tickets for the Orioles. These are good things. But if a player were producing at that level and there were no mitigating factors, he would have been out of the lineup long before.

Jerman....there was a dude trespassing and sitting in some other guys tree stand. 8 guys were doing a "deer drive" and came across him and told him to leave......alledgedly a few of the guys tossed out racial slurs because the trespasser was of Asian desent.....whack job went away, came back, and shot all 8, killing 6.....

why not to go deer hunting....drunk crazy people in woods with guns....

Rik, your just wrong on this one.Sorry.
He played for 21 years and every year had above average fielding skills, in 2001 he batted 239 and retired that year, thats hardly hurting the team.Your right it's not debatable because your just wrong on this one.He was the MVP of the All Star game in 2001 and batted 276 in 2000.

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The last several years of Ripkin's streak definitely hurt team goals.
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Rik this statement above is just complete bullshit..

He was mvp of all star game because they were grooving him pitches...come on now.

for once, Big B is right.

Comparing players of different era's is dicey.

I looked at both Ripkin's streak and Gehrigs. I looked at % of decline/improvement from the first 10 years of their respective streaks to the last 4 years. In Cal's case it was 12 years, because he played thru a strike in 1994-95.

I looked at major offensive categories; slugging%, on base avg., batting avg., total bases, rbi, runs scored.

Ripkin declined in all areas between the first years of his streak vs. the last.

Slugging; Ripkin -8% Gerhrig -4%

OBP; Ripkin -6% Gehrig +3%

Avg. Ripkin -4% Gehrig -3%

Tot bases Ripkin -13%Gehrig -5%

rbi Ripkin -10%Gehrig -5%

runs Ripkin -19%Gehrig +2%

Ripkin's decline was far more precipitous than Gehrig's during the last 4 years of his streak. In most categories, more than twice as much. In some categories Gehrig got better with age.

The last full year of the streak was 1998. Ripkin was 37 that year, turning 38 in August. Gehrig turned 36 right about the time he sat down, so they were pretty close in age.

Defensively, in his youth Ripkin was the best defensive shortstop in baseball, this according to an analysis done by Bill James. By the end he had to move to third. That's not that unusual, shortstop is a much more demanding position than first base. But moving him was a political landmine for the manager. By contrast, Robin Youndt, the other American league hall of fame shortstop of that era, was far more agreeable to moving when he couldn't get it done at short any more.

I'm not saying Ripkin wasn't a great player who served the game well. He did. With the streak or without it. But to say that the streak wasn't an albatross around his neck at the end, I think he'd even say that privately. And to say that it didn't cost the team some victories isn't realistic. It did. It was a cost of doing business. The greater good was served. The game benefitted.

great Yount reference!

a true professional.

That % stuff is bullshit too, every year but his last Cal had good stats.And your the only one comparing him to Gehrig, why nobody knows..Dicey is an understatement. ?
Dude you claim Cal hurt the team the last SEVERAL years of his career, now just take that statement back and we can agree..

friendly heads up, 7 hours straight of Brett Favre on ESPN classic today starting at 11am central.

He probably wishes he sat todays game out. OUCH!