Philzone.org Discussion Board: Archive 2004: Music Talk Archive 2004: Overrated?

This is the 'overrated''s exact opposite. gimme your thoughts on who is overrated

Modest Mouse
Wilco

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Sorry but Wilco is the best band in America today go see them live

Wilco just completely bores me, ive tried but cant stand them

Wilco rawk and Tweedy's a fuckin' genius.

A Ghost is Born has to be one of the top 5 albums of the year.

Give the tune Spiders (Kidsmoke) a good listen and get back to me. They jam it out. The new guitarist rips.

Phish, Umphrey's, Wilco, SCI, any "jamband", really.

Mule, ouch, at least in these parts. Sorry Charlie.

Whether Phish is overrated or not, theyre definitely influential already

Got to go with Sarah
Jimmy / Warren

& I'll throw in Sless !

(((ducks as well)))

Sless aint Overrated shit.

Wilco Bores the hell outta me. Jay Farrar is way more talented than Jeff Tweedy ever will be.

Umphrees
String Cheese
railroad earth and to many more tolist.

I'll go out on a limb here.
I love 'em but.....

I am almost afraid to say it

Phil & Friends

Moe. and Umphreys
who keeps seeing these guys?
and are they deaf?

gunnar-utah wrote:

"I'll go out on a limb here.
I love 'em but.....

I am almost afraid to say it

Phil & Friends"


... ??? you've got to be kidding!!! If you think Phil and crew is over-rated then you need to hang out in the Ratdog board and find out how 'everyone' else feels about Phil. To us, they are something special - to a lot of others, they could take it or leave it.

Overrated: My Morning Jacket - after 2 songs, *yawn* - cancel the reverb and hit the wah pedal or something, phah!~

Mule.
Have you heard the new studio release?
It's only got one song on it.

Somebody close to Warren should recommend collaborations in the song writing department...'cause he's tapped out.

Robert Randolph family band. I just cant really stand these guys. too repetitive, too gimmicky

Counting Crows. What a bunch of crying losers.

Have to agree on the My Morning Jacket comment, bore me to tears, would rather listen to paint dry

I'll second the Counting Crows. Absolutly can't stand that crap.

Thats funny you don't like MMJ, Ed. I think they are 100 times better than Wilco. Different strokes....

Most of you are keeping your comments in the jam arena, but there is no doubt in my mind that The Ramones are the most overrated band in the history of music.

This may be heresy, but I consider later-era Pink Floyd to be way up there on the overrated meter. I love Saucerful of Secrets, Live at Pompeii, the old psychedelic stuff, but I could go the rest of my life without hearing Wish You Were Here. What a sappy, cheesy song!

It doesnt help that wish you were here and another brick in the wall part 2 are way too overplayed

Might be steppin on a few toes here... the stones

hey why not the Beatles then

cuz the beatles WERE original

No, The Beatles got credit for a lot of stuff because they sold kajillions of records and now their songs get overplayed in commercials, oldies radio and every can't-remember-cause-I-wasn't-there nostalgia freak's bedroom, living room, car and basement.

Overrated--Led Zeppelin, John Fogerty (solo and CCR), Phish, String Cheese.

Elton John, Queen, Chick Corea, Robert Plant & Jimmy Page, The Dead, and every other jam band that people seem to pant about.

lesley gore was over-rated too!

Stones
Eric Clapton (since Cream)
Bruce Springstien

Chick Corea????? are you smoking crack???? the dude is a friggin mega genius. and its hard for any jazz artists whose worth chick's weight to be overrated.

Wilco, SCI, RRE, Panic, Mule, Phish, Umphrey's, Hayseed, Hookah, Moe, and ANY "new"grass band(lol). I could go on and on. There is alot of talent but very little originality in music right now.

With the exception of Maybe Phish, not one of these bands will be remembered outside their fanbase in twenty years. and even many of those will have forgotten them.

Chick Corea? A friggin mega genius? I have 3 things to say to that, "Secret Agent" and "My Spanish Heart" (particularly the tracks in the latter with the horrific female singer) and the 1992 & 1996 sessions with Bobby McFerrin.

I mean, really, anyone who plays with Bobby McFerrin automatically joins the esteemed club of "has beens."

still doesnt take away what hes done for jazz and fusion piano.

MMW

hmmm, i dunno. john medeski is pretty unbelievable

Outkast or any rap
Pink Floyd
Slayer
Raffi

moe.

I didn't consider Wilco to be a jamband.

but to add to this mess... any of the current day bands doing the granola, roots, acoustic old fashion hippy thing. It's so been done.

I just remembered a good one: Cake.

Their version of "I Will Survive" occupies high-ranking spots for Worst Cover Song Ever and Worst Guitar Solo Ever. I see them as basically a novelty act, and I often wonder how they got as big as they did.

There is some poetic justice in the fact that they seem to have fallen by the wayside of popular culture over the last few years.

Cake blows Wilco out the door is all I have to say . . .

RUSTED ROOT!!!!! How can they ever be considered a "band" - more like a parking lot drum circle . . . the chick is good eye candy tho . . .

>>>>Pink Floyd

Que?

seriously, Pink Floyd captured one of the most difficult tasks in becoming a memorable musician: they were original

Yes, they were original. They took boredom to a whole new level. I am not saying they did not have any good songs, I am just saying that they were not that great. You want to kill the mood of a good party, put on Pink Floyd. I can't make it all the way through Dark Side of the Moon without falling asleep.

Dude, just cuz your attention span can withstand dark side (which is quite sad), doesnt denote what that fuckin album did for music in general. plus, is party music all of a sudden the only worthy form of music these days?

>>Cake blows Wilco out the door is all I have to say . . .<<

Thanks for the laugh

Your taking stuff out of context, but who cares. My only point is that they are not that great. That makes them overrated. I think Comfortably Numb is a piece of shit. People seem to think it is so deep when really they are just very stoned. The Wall has alot of filler on it. I think my two favorite songs of theirs are Have a Cigar and Time. Money is another overrated turd. I also want to add the Eagles to my list.

someone back me up here

Well, I'll back up the old-school psychedelic Pink Floyd any day. I doubt anybody is napping during Careful With That Axe, Eugene. I find it interesting that harry hasn't mentioned a single Floyd song before Dark Side of the Moon. There is good music back there, and if you're not familiar with it you will be genuinely surprised by how different it is from the stuff you hear on the radio.

I'm not a Wilco fan either, so my Cake comments stand.

Cake is a good band, but they are not anywhere as good as Wilco. If someone is going to criticize my opinion, they should know what good music is and Rob, Wilco is good music.

Rob did make a good point though which is that I did not mention anything before Dark Side of the Moon. I have not really heard much before that so I don't have an opinion of it. But I have heard plenty of the other stuff and it really does not interest me. I think David Gilmore is extremely overrated. Roger Watters vocals just plod along. I use to play Us and Them with some people and I would always get yelled at for playing too fast. I could never play it without picking up the pace to fight the boredom. I guess subconsciously I just wanted to get it over with.

Don't get me wrong, Wilco knows what they're doing and they are good musicians. Just not my flavor, never have done anything for me. The fact that you think Cake is a good band shows that we have VERY different musical tastes.

I also think David Gilmour is very overrated, and I could go the rest of my life without hearing Roger Waters sing. There was a time when they were a very balanced, mainly instrumental psychedelic mindfuck band that made Phish's scariest jams sound like Lawrence Welk. Some of the most avant-garde, way out-there music ever created by humans. I know it may be hard to imagine that coming from the same band that did Us and Them, but it's true.

Go get the Live at Pompeii video and watch it on a big screen TV with a good sound system on a head full of good acid, if you're man enough ;)

I am sorry, I thought you were saying you liked Cake.

By the way Rob, I am only 13. I think it is really inappropriate to suggest that I take acid.

How about Ozzy Osbourne. most overrated musician ever. was he even a musician?

True, Harry, I apologize. You can't tell these things over the Internet. It was a joke anyway, but all joking aside, I would never suggest that anybody do ANY mind-altering drug until they were a fully-grown adult. If you'll forgive another joke, when you're 13 you're not "man enough" for anything where that is a prerequisite

If nothing else, I salute you for having much better musical taste than most in your age group!

Wow!!! I never thought I'd hear legendary timeless bands like Pink Floyd, The Rolling Stones, and the other-worldly MMW as overrated????? Oh yes LOL, someone thought Gov't Mule' last album had one song on it as well and Warren Haynes is all tapped out song writing wise????

Okay 1st of all IMHO R Waters was on the best lyricists of all time! He is up there with such greats as Bob Dylan and our beloved R. Hunter.
He sums up life in an entire album called Duhh Darkside of the Moon?? The Wall is full of filler songs??? Probably one of the Greatest shows/tours ever in rock history was the Wall!
Wish You Here is also a masterpiece summing up the coporate music world. And Waters was an amazing Bass player who was perhaps underrated in that category. I don't know of too many lead bass players like RW back in the early 70's. His Bass line is the foundation to songs like Money, One of these days, The Wall part one & two, Sheep, Echoes..and a host of others I can't think of this second. Who else was using echo effect pedals on bass before him in the early 1970's ??? That was a truly an innovative sound use by RW and DG on The Wall album for 1980.

Warren Haynes may just be at the peak of his career, and the Mule are anything but overrated. The new album is excellent and I heard nothing but rave reviews of their entire last tour. Go see them for yourself and see if they are really overrated.

Hey Harry, if PF/RW/DG are overrated than why did Phish cover the entire DSOTM album in 1998??? I assume your a phish phan right? I am as well by the way and already miss them terribly.

Also again, just my opinion here, every RS record from the 1960's >1978's Some Girls are classic. I also appreciate some stuff off Emotional Rescue and the entire Tatoo You album, beyond that is pretty much crap. But the Stones in there time could be called the world's greatest RR band in the world. The Who, Jimi Hendrix, and Zeppelin also had there moments where they could be crowned with the same status.

The Bealtles were and always will be the masters of Melody. I doubt anyone ever can match their genious.

Today very fewbands endure and produce consistantly good music A few examples are (again my opinion) Pearl Jam, Gov't Mule, and MMW....

Overrated??? Perfect example ---> The Eagles!!!

"Overrated??? Perfect example ---> The Eagles!!!"

Well at least we agree on something. Moe also covered DSOTM for Halloween. I like Phish and Moe, but that does not mean I have to love everything they do. I also did not say everything Pink Floyd did was bad, but the truth is they just don't do it for me. To me Pink Floyd is like fake tits. They are not all bad, but they don't exactly keep my pecker up. In the end I am left unsatisfied and I feel no emotional connection to it. But to each they're own.

I meant "to each their own". I am sorry, it was the head full of acid that Rob gave me.