Philzone.org Discussion Board: Archive 2004: Politics Archive 2004: Not one mention of Gonzales?

The man is far worse than Ashcroft ever wanted to be.

1) He called the Geneva Conventions (yeah, those same conventions that are supposed to apply to other countries when they hold OUR prisoners of war) "quaint and outdated."

2) He argued that the president isn't bound by the rule of law when the country is attacked, and can hold AMERICAN CITIZENS without trial, without charges and without recourse to the law.

3) He wrote that torture isn't always torture when the "good guys" use it, or something to that efffect.

4) He's in charge of the FBI, which is currently investigating Haliburton's dealings with Iraq, Iran and others, as well as the Valerie Plame name revelation scandal (if Clinton had been president when that happened, he would've been burned out of the White House by a mob bearing torches and conservatives would've called it justice). Now, guess what will happen to those investigations??? GONZO!

Regardless, this is a bad fella to be in charge of enforcing our nation's laws.

The question remains: Why have conservative Americans (Pat, Seija, take note) abandoned their values and allowed our basic principles to be hijacked by people like Bush and Gonzales????

JBH

Still nothing? Geez...

Zoners, what do you think about your new Attorney General??

JBH

I actually see him as a step up from Ashcroft and I do like the fact that he's the first hispanic attorney general. You do, however, raise some good points. I just don't think you'd get anybody appointed by theis administration that didn't come along with that particular philosophy.

He's been Shrub's boy for over a decade.

Gee...I'm shocked that you're not thrilled that the pro-life crowd is angered by the Gonzales choice.

Gonzales Sux Ass.

Horrible Choise, but par for W.

whaddya gonna do? the next four years are fucked no matter which way you slice it, UNLESS Shrub can be uprooted by some articles of impeachment.

Remember, this sick fucker has a "mandate". He was arrogant & unapologetic for anything he's done so far when overwhelming evidence has proven he actually has made "mistakes". By the time it takes to actually get into Canada, the scumbag will already be on his way out. I've checked into this. There's no telling how far we'll sink by the time his policies are enacted.


fucked i tells ya....plain & simple

"I actually see him as a step up from Ashcroft and I do like the fact that he's the first hispanic attorney general. You do, however, raise some good points. I just don't think you'd get anybody appointed by theis administration that didn't come along with that particular philosophy."


Quoted for truth. At minimum, no worse than Ashcroft.

Had he been a nominee for a position on the SCOTUS, however, there would be a much different reaction. Due to his openly pro life views he would draw much fire from the opposition, but since it is the AG, the Dems will wait to fight another day.

speaking of mandates, I love what Jon Stewart's America: The Book has to say: A president is said to have a mandate if he wins office with more than 55% of the vote. If he wins with less than 51% he is said to "not care about having a mandate." Seems very timely. As for Gonzales, the guy is not the lightning rod that Ashcroft was, and therefore I fear that he will be able to slide in things below the radar that Ashcroft couldn't.

I don't know why George Bush wants a man date when he's said that he's against gay marriage.

Yeah, yeah, I know the difference, I'm just having fun with the language.

Now as much as I don't like John Ashcroft, at least with a Cristo-Facist you can hope for the narrow chance that they'll remember that Sunday School lesson from the Beattitudes where Jesus said, "Blessed be the merciful, for they shall receive mercy."

Gonzalez, on the other hand...calls the protection of prisoners under the Geneva Convention "quaint". Let's see how quaint he thinks the Geneva Convention is when he's got his head on the chopping block.

Min. Standards for the GC....

soldiers must:
-- Wear identifying uniforms or insignias
-- Belong to a fighting force with a formal, recognizable chain of command
-- Carry weapons openly
-- Fight within the rules of war

Sound like Al Qaeda to you??

thats SENOR Clarence Thomas to you, yo

>>>first hispanic attorney general.

yeah. and clarence thomas is the 1st black supreme court justice.

jeezus w christ help us all.

p.s.~>51% vs. 49% is no fucking mandate.

>>>I do like the fact that he's the first hispanic attorney general

Bushes token hispanic... say hello to Caldeleeza; we've got diversity, yes we do!

>>Min. Standards for the GC....

>>soldiers must:
-- Wear identifying uniforms or insignias
-- Belong to a fighting force with a formal, recognizable chain of command
-- Carry weapons openly
-- Fight within the rules of war

>>Sound like Al Qaeda to you??

Actually, Seija, it does. That's why we should afford anyone captured by the US military the rights provided to soldiers under the Geneva Conventions, but I know you won't agree. Those rights are jealously guarded in Seija's world, and aren't to be shared with EVERYONE (which is why I thought Bush was having his little crusade? To bring the fruits of democracy to the world??)

JBH

>>>Actually, Seija, it does.
>>>but I know you won't agree.

You got that a right.

-- Wear identifying uniforms or insignias

The point is to protect unarmed innocent civilians....your bleeding heart should be demanding this.

-- Belong to a fighting force with a formal, recognizable chain of command

I wouldn't consider cyperplanning and cells a pyramidal chain of command structure

-- Carry weapons openly

Shit...if they did this they wouldn't be able to blend with the population...silly me...

-- Fight within the rules of war

See all of the above.
Targeting civilians....the laws of war?

>>>>Those rights are jealously guarded in Seija's world, and aren't to be shared with EVERYONE

Those are shared with those who practice consistent reciprical treatment...I don't believe in legitimizing their tactics with affording them the same rights given to soldiers of governments who play by the rules.
OH wait...Al Qaeda isn't a government....they have no real home....they hide amongst us....how brave.

-Troops find hostage 'slaughterhouses' in Falluja ...
gee...there's where they're consistent.

>>the same rights given to soldiers of governments who play by the rules.


Like the US soldiers who aren't subject to the international court or the Geneva Conventions according to Bush?

What about the rights of Iraqi civilians to live and not be killed by the US military as it "roots out insurgents?"


Oh yeah, those people don't count. They're not Americans or Christians.

For every dead Iraqi child America will be hated for centuries...

JBH

>>>>What about the rights of Iraqi civilians to live and not be killed by the US military as it "roots out insurgents?"

-- Wear identifying uniforms or insignias

The point is to protect unarmed innocent civilians....your bleeding heart should be demanding this.

>>>>international court


You've got to be kidding.

this guy is the tongue in dubya's ass. being a lackey is bad enough. this turd is a moron's lackey.

>>You've got to be kidding.

No, Seija, I believe if justice can't be given by the US (or whatever nation commits the offense) then all of humanity has an interest in seeing that justice is done, and international criminal courts are one tool to achieve that goal. Remember, Seija, the goal is justice.



JBH

just the same as the old boss

but hey I'm still waiting for vicente fox to become president of the US (seems more likely than Arnold if the rules get changed)

>>>>I believe if justice can't be given by the US

Are you suggesting the soldiers in that photo did not receive punishment for their behavior?

Are you suggesting the soldiers in that photo did not receive punishment for their behavior? <<<<

The people who gave the orders and turned there heads did not receive punishment.

>>>>The people who gave the orders and turned there heads did not receive punishment.

And you're an insider so, who know WHO gave the orders???